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Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« on: October 29, 2012, 02:59:31 PM »
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-OEM-OA-3.0-Piracy-Genuine-Microsoft,16636.html

The article implies that Windows 8 for OEMs is doing away with COA keys.   There are reports on Technibble that systems with Windows 8 preinstalled have OEM COAs that DO NOT have product keys on them.   Such systems are tied to the bios and must be activated over the internet.  Wrong serial number means no activation.  Also implies that you will not be able to use DSP OEM media to install Windows 8.  OTOH I've also heard that with UEFI BIOSes  the OEM will be able to place Encypted Windows keys in the bios so any Windows 8 will install automatically because it will see that in the bios and use that info to activate with.   Same encryption methods can block the install of other OS.   How that effects bootable media like a live CD or Antivirus repair software remains to be seen.

Windows 8 is suppose to have a Retail System Builder version with product keys on the package but I doubt that can be used on Royalty OEMs like Dell, HP, Acer, etc.  But with UEFI it might be able to.

 

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2012, 03:03:18 PM »
"how to tie hw to the OS"    :wink:
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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2012, 03:10:35 PM »
"how to tie hw to the OS"    :wink:

Yep and it also ties that ONE purchase to THAT hardware.  If you have problems it will be easier to buy a new computer.  If you have to replace the motherboard it will be a royal b-tch of hoop jumping to get Windows 8 reinstalled I bet.   Same issues if you want to wipe the system and install Windows 8 with out preinstalled junk.  The only reason that OEM COA had keys on them was to satisfy that group of users that buy a PC and nuke and pave a vanilla Windows install.  The COA on the box let you do that.   This new system isn't gonna let that happen.

(Yet in the same breath Microsoft is rolling out Surface in part so that that OEMs can't frak it up with preinstalled software.)

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2012, 04:24:19 PM »
Who in the hello is going to use Winders 8 anyway.
I wouldn't buy a computer with crapola on it.

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2012, 07:24:40 PM »
"how to tie hw to the OS"    :wink:

Maybe they are pulling the HP idea, DMI/ tattoo the information into the BIOS and HDDs
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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 02:07:14 PM »
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/03/windows_oem_activation_30/

It's based on Leaked slides that may or may not be real.
Microsoft declined to comment.
only OEM versions are affected,

http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-8-verification-causing-problems-for-pc-makers
Windows 8, on the other hand, will install the activation key inside the OS's UEFI firmware (Digitimes incorrectly says it's being placed inside a PC's BIOS). This means that PC makers will have to take more time and give every new PC with Windows 8 more individual attention than Windows 7 PCs, where a PC makers could simply stick on the COA label.

http://www.zdnet.com/how-the-new-windows-8-license-terms-affect-you-7000003028/
 All of the agreements are written in plain language thatís surprisingly easy to understand, and Windows 8 will, for the first time ever, include a new Personal Use License that explicitly permits retail customers to install and run OEM System Builder software. The overpriced full package products will not exist for Windows 8.

Your proof of license for a PC you purchase with Windows already installed consists of all of the following elements:

A genuine product key;
Successful activation of the software;
An authentic Windows label such as a Certificate of Authenticity (COA), which must be affixed to the computer or appear on the manufacturerís or installerís packaging or peripherals when purchased; and
Proof of purchase from a supplier of genuine Microsoft software.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2012, 02:13:27 PM by Donald Bertrand »
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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 02:30:06 PM »
Some how I doubt Neowin's concerns are totally valid.  It isn't possible to activate Windows 8 on the assembly line.  But it shouldn't be necessary.  Even with UEFI it should be possible to place a key on each system in the same method used to populate them with Serial numbers and other asset information.  Manufacturers should know in advance how many PCs and what serial numbers are being issued and thus should be able to register Windows 8 in advance.  I suspect that on examination hackers will find out that the UEFI will contain a generic VLK like code that allows Windows 8 to install WITHOUT a COA key prompt.  Much like what happens now with OEM provided media.  The key will simply be on the machine and not on the software disk.  The only change is that Microsoft is getting a list of system serial numbers and will not activate them in advance.

The only trouble I see are RMA'd motherboards.  If a vendor is sloppy and doesn't get a serial number on a replacement motherboard registered you may have problems with product activation.     Sort of like what happens if you fail to tattoo a HP motherboard.  Al is right on the money.  UEFI is a industry wide tattoo like system for motherboards that Microsoft can use instead of COA keys to register windows.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2012, 02:36:27 PM by Nathan Williams »

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2012, 02:57:12 PM »
It is starting to appear that W8 = Epic Fail.
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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2012, 03:40:40 PM »
It is starting to appear that W8 = Epic Fail.

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2012, 03:45:50 PM »
It is starting to appear that W8 = Epic Fail.

>>>>OFF TOPIC<<<<

Thought maybe you and Brian might of got wash out to the Atlantic.... :(

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2012, 04:40:28 PM »
Thanks for the concern. Now, back on-topic: Does W8 suck?
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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2012, 05:20:09 PM »
Thanks for the concern. Now, back on-topic: Does W8 suck?

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We just don't know exactly HOW it sucks yet  >:D >:D

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2012, 02:52:02 PM »
I'm trying to follow this  ..I must read it again.  In shorty, does this mean it will take money out of our pockets if a customer needs a OS reinstalled due to corruption etc (can we use our disk the same way we do Win7 to reinstall?)?

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 03:05:41 PM »
I'm trying to follow this  ..I must read it again.  In shorty, does this mean it will take money out of our pockets if a customer needs a OS reinstalled due to corruption etc (can we use our disk the same way we do Win7 to reinstall?)?

That is unknown.   What we do know is that OEM versions that come from the major OEMs will be bios locked down to serial number.   There will be no OEM  COA serial number key on the side of the machine to use and no need of it.   With proper media from the OEM you will be able to reinstall Windows 8.   AS it will retrieve the key from the UEFI itself. What is not known is if other Windows 8 media will work in a substitute.   Right now any Windows 7 disk will install either retail or OEM.  And if you remove one file from the disk it will become a universal disk and you can use it to install ANY version Windows 7.    The Windows 8 disks might be setup to look for a key in the UEFI and failing that prompt for the standard retail COA key. 

Where this will cost people more money is that you can't build a new machine to replace a dead OEM box and use the number on the side.  That's never be legal (though in my opinion in should be) and now it will not be possible because of the embedded key in the motherboard.  Also if you have to get a replacement set of media instead of borrowing a disk to install with costs will go up for the end users that fail to create a backup set when they buy an OEM machine.

That make it more clear?

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Re: Windows 8 OEM features new Product Activation. 3.0
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2012, 08:53:19 PM »
Anyone who spends money on this POS deserves it.