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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2011, 03:28:10 PM »
I , of course voted no.
It could have been yes if CR.com had stayed true to its beginnings.

Not sure why you feel OF is helping the industry. Or did you read the poll wrong?

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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2011, 03:32:48 PM »
I think Dave means if CR.com had stayed a platform that allowed buyers to route work based upon the pricing on our profiles and we (the techs) set the conditions.........yada yada
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2011, 03:49:51 PM »
I think Dave means if CR.com had stayed a platform that allowed buyers to route work based upon the pricing on our profiles and we (the techs) set the conditions.........yada yada
Yup, that's how I read it too.  The same could be said for WM though- at least in the VERY beginning with what we were being told. 
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2011, 03:54:42 PM »
right, but he voted no, they are helping the industry.

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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2011, 03:56:48 PM »
right, but he voted no, they are helping the industry.

Sniffing too much cow poop?
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2011, 04:06:57 PM »
A song for Dave - "cows with guns"

http://youtu.be/FQMbXvn2RNI

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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2011, 04:52:55 PM »
right, but he voted no, they are helping the industry.
I do believe he read the poll wrong- as I'm hoping is the case with all 3 that voted "No, they are helping the industry".
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2011, 07:05:53 PM »
I did vote no and I didnt read the answers to closely.
I meant to say that they are hurting the field.
I meant what I said just as Todd and Parrish read it.

If CR.com had stayed true to the course they had originally planned and allowed us to set our own rates and to negotiate directly with the buyers with CR.com staying out of it, platforms would be better since it was CR.com/OnForce that started the drive to the lowest common denominator.


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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2011, 07:31:43 PM »
I am in,,,,but it will depend upon who else is on the panel.

I think it is an excellent idea.

But I believe you will need at least 2 platforms represented, along with ICs who are both pro and con platforms. A company similar to mine would add and interesting mix,,,,,,and I will have to give thought as to who else should be represented.

If handled similar to a Presidential debate I think it will be VERY interesting.

Expand on your idea, and who you think should be in attendance and I will gladly help you recruit.

But if you really think about,,,,,,,I believe everyone in the industry feels the platforms have adversely effected the national break/fix monies available, so why would a platform agree to participate.

But, that's just my opinion,,,and I may be wrong.

OnForce wouldn't do it. I was really aiming at anyone with an opinion, pro or con. If I chose a panel with a quota of representatives from each industry, it would polarize the panel too much and the respondent would all have predictable agendas. For instance, if someone like Toby participated, as a representative of OnForce all the listeners would know what he would say, whereas with a mix of participants who do not represent them but all are affected by them - good and bad - would be more objective.

One or two nationals such as yourself would be good to have on the panel because you are a third party that is directly affected. Those of us in the FF forums who discuss it with you already know how it impacts your business, but a lot of the listeners don't and may have their own assumptions.
I don't know if I could convince them to do it but I could try to see if I could get someone (preferrably Marty Evans) from Servright to participate.  They are a national that is being forced (or so they say) to use the platforms in certain areas mostly due to downward price pressure.

That would be great!

I cannot imagine a panel that would give the platforms a fair shake, if the platforms are not directly involved. There are some good people who work for the various platforms. As I have stated in the past, some of the people I consider good friends. I am talking about Work Market, Onforce and Field Solutions primarily.

I would not be comfortable participating  if the panel has no one who can properly represent their interest.

How you say it has as much impact as what you say

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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2011, 07:59:10 PM »
Well, the question is really intended to poll the users of the platforms, not the platforms themselves. Some techs and nationals use these platforms extensively, others don't. By posing the question we are really asking why. The question is two pronged because it also asks how platforms affect the industry. Is it a positive affect or a negative one? If we simply ask someone from OF or WM, of course they will answer it in the positive because that's their business. They like to think they are transforming the industry, and they are. That's hardly objective. To make things more convoluted, they are actually the wrong people to ask the question in the first place, since they are not on the side of the business that feels the effect; they are on the side that administers it. Without actually feeling the positive or negative affects of their existence from the other side, how could they even know?

However, if we are asking those whose businesses existed before the platforms and are directly affected by them from the tech side, we find out how they are affected. This includes the techs, the nationals, the "Buyers" and anyone else who actually uses the platforms or is affected by them.

I have friends who run some of these platforms as well. This isn't about personal friendships. It's about business. And it's a fair question.
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2011, 09:03:27 PM »
"The industry" is about as nebulous a term as one can use.  If you don't specifically define the term you will only get responses framed within the context of the respondent's interpretation of the term.  Which then renders the whole exercise meaningless since everyone's interpretation will be different.

Nothing personal but it just sounds like another platform (read Onforce again) bashing orgy to me.  Same type of result one would get if they stepped into a KKK meeting and said "hey, let's have a open discussion about equal opportunity legislation".  Or maybe go to one of these Occupy Wallstreet camps and announce over a megaphone that "there is going to be a round table discussion about the free enterprise system and the marketplace".

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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2011, 09:37:37 PM »
"The industry" is about as nebulous a term as one can use.  If you don't specifically define the term you will only get responses framed within the context of the respondent's interpretation of the term.  Which then renders the whole exercise meaningless since everyone's interpretation will be different.

Nothing personal but it just sounds like another platform (read Onforce again) bashing orgy to me.  Same type of result one would get if they stepped into a KKK meeting and said "hey, let's have a open discussion about equal opportunity legislation".  Or maybe go to one of these Occupy Wallstreet camps and announce over a megaphone that "there is going to be a round table discussion about the free enterprise system and the marketplace".

The question was born from a very lively discussion in the OF LinkedIn Group and I wanted to take it to the next level - a live event. There are techs both for and against them. I don't view this as platform bashing.

Sure, if you want the platforms on there as well, let's do it, provided any of them want to. You are concerned about platform bashing, but the opposite is all platform promotion, which is just as skewed. Keep in mind that if they do, chances are they will not engage in a frank discussion and will want to take everything "offline" as Toby did in the LinkedIn discussion (including with me), which will defeat the purpose of the discussion.
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2011, 09:53:26 PM »
Incidentally, we did have a discussion "offline". I won't go into the specifics, but after the private discussion I felt manipulated.

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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2011, 09:54:53 PM »
I did vote no and I didnt read the answers to closely.
I meant to say that they are hurting the field.
I meant what I said just as Todd and Parrish read it.

If CR.com had stayed true to the course they had originally planned and allowed us to set our own rates and to negotiate directly with the buyers with CR.com staying out of it, platforms would be better since it was CR.com/OnForce that started the drive to the lowest common denominator.

I've been thinking about that Dave and I believe we would be exactly where we are today with rock bottom rates except that the path taken to get there would be a bit different yet the results are the same.

What I mean is: Instead of the platform enabling the low rates (as it were), the techs themselves would keep lowering their own rates in  the interest of beating the competition until that price war eventually lead us to the same place we are now. Witness the plethora of "I will fix any computer problem for $20.00" adds on Craigslist. This end result still requires the platforms as an enabler though.

Think about it........
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Re: New Poll: Are web-based platforms helping or hurting?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2011, 10:07:24 PM »
I did vote no and I didnt read the answers to closely.
I meant to say that they are hurting the field.
I meant what I said just as Todd and Parrish read it.

If CR.com had stayed true to the course they had originally planned and allowed us to set our own rates and to negotiate directly with the buyers with CR.com staying out of it, platforms would be better since it was CR.com/OnForce that started the drive to the lowest common denominator.

I've been thinking about that Dave and I believe we would be exactly where we are today with rock bottom rates except that the path taken to get there would be a bit different yet the results are the same.

What I mean is: Instead of the platform enabling the low rates (as it were), the techs themselves would keep lowering their own rates in  the interest of beating the competition until that price war eventually lead us to the same place we are now. Witness the plethora of "I will fix any computer problem for $20.00" adds on Craigslist. This end result still requires the platforms as an enabler though.

Think about it........

Excellent point.